Upper-lower?
Here is what I conclude- the moment someone uses "Upper" "Lower" castes in Hinduism - they have no idea about hinduism.
Or follow other version and pave path for conversion. That's what missionaries are doing - show that you are lower while others are upper , come we will make you upper in our religion , 😝😄 narrative made true -upper lower materialised .
While I am talking we all belong to a culture which promotes harmony n equality, other are of opinion it promotes inequality.
Last time a guy said about upper caste, I told him there is no caste, n there is no upper or lower. Only occupation based division is what is truth & as long as human society exists there will be need for different occupations, each one will be important.
A guy: It's not a talk.. it's a fact.. why are temples cleansed if a dalit by chance visit's.. why are different dinning provisions based on the caste.. sir you don't know ground reality.. all you know is to Google get some links and post them claiming to be facts.. your facts are no where even mapped.to what's happening on the ground..
I am not saying they are right. If people are cleaning etc, they also don't know their dharma. If someone wears a janeu doesnt make him brahmin, any one who has gone past hand to mouth job - basic life form to a higher path of dharma - safeguarding interest of society, should wear janeu - irrespective of occupation. And brahmin doesnt mean one with a thread or surname. Brahmin means a learned scholar - like PhD Dr etc - if the society respected them it's good - but if the practice is limited to thread-bearers or surnames only , it's wrong. Son of Dr need not be Dr & need not deserve social recognition, likewise.
A guy: Yes it's important as we will always need others to do the dirty work.. clean gutters, mend shoes, dress hair, sweep and clean door fronts, toil in the sun n rain to feed, die for by waging wars.. as it is convient.. never let people from those segments raise as it will create unrest to the so called intellectuals as all they will do is seek knowledge to ensure no one else seeks knowledge ..
" ensure no one else seeks knowledge" is part of that false narrative which states - upper-lower.
"Once Raja Bhoj went around his kingdom to see for himself the condition of his subjects. Seeing a frail woodcutter burdened by the weight of the log on his head, the king asked him solicitously, “किम् ते बाधति भारम्?” Does the weight hurt you? The anguished woodcutter replied somewhat sharply: “भारम् न बाधते राजन् यथा ‘बाधति’ बाधते.” I am not hurt so much by the weight on my head as by your use of ‘बाधति’ instead of (the correct form) बाधते. The story is used at two levels. One, to make the political point that Sanskrit was a language of the masses at some point of time. But its practical purpose was to illustrate the point of Sanskrit grammar"
Raja bhoj ki kahani mat sunana.. go around the matts, temples today to see what's the fact
oh they don't let anyone enter? The very temples were centers of culture, are being seriously impacted, & are major targets of missionaries , instead of being ridiculed, they need right direction - and people who generalise all the temples due to few, and blame the entire dharma - I can't really comment - they are part of the problem instead of solution.
the day is not very far when this narrative & proponents of such a narrative will materialise the problem - the problem is very deep - never had I thought someone can have such a negative image of Hinduism - I have friends from different sects of Hinduism - each one facing different problems , but none really rediculed it, even though would have ridiculed the actors involved but not the culture and above all none said colonisation was good & was solution for all the problems culture faced🙂 . Even Muslim friends have extremely good outlook towards Hinduism. But OK, it's an eye-opener that people with varying opinions exist & eventually they all join their real group based on their nature & opinions.
When someone stated "We only have two lives. The second one begins when you realize there is only one !!!"
I stated:
Those who works/earns/lives without greater purpose (even though can be very skilful)-merely for survival purpose- is called Shudra. Only when one realises the real purpose he/she will be called Dwija - born 2nd time - then decides whether he/she wants to live to spread knowledge (Brahmin), Safeguard people's interest (Kshatriya) , Spread prosperity (Vaishya)